Some Problems In Christian Dating

I went into some of the factors that keep people getting together and marrying before. Some of those factors have to do with dating, but there are other factors out there which keep people from getting together. They are mostly all common to all men and women. Those are:

1. Don’t have unrealistic expectations of the partner you will accept.

I wrote of the tendency (of mainly women) to look for the absolute perfect in their minds and not accept anything less. The advice to not just settle for anyone and wait for “that special man set aside by the Lord just for you” causes this mindset.

Or as I could apply it to houses: I may want to live in a mansion with all the accoutrements, but should I not live in a house at all if that’s my perfect desire? Or find something that I can get by God’s grace, which may be what He thinks is good? I’m reminded of the joke about the man caught in the flood whose faith desired a miracle of God to save his life but wouldn’t accept what God sent his way. You may have this conception in your mind of the perfect mate, but God may have a totally different idea. Don’t reject “good enough” in the sight of God for the absolute perfect which doesn’t exist. Grace requires that we all settle for what is less than perfect, because God settled for us (men and women) who are completely disgusting in his sight.

2. Don’t follow the popular advice given in the church.

With the drive to purity that’s happened within the church, there have been teachings that are not only designed to push abstinence, but has had the effect of rendering men and women unable to communicate with one another. This happens due to the common segregation that occurs today (men’s and women’s ministries for instance), but also due to bad dating advice such as I Kissed Dating Goodbye which pushes abstinence for reasons beyond sexual motives and ultimately teaches single men and women to not have anything to do with each other at all for fear of fornication. That this impedes the normal interaction between men and women is without question. The end effect of “kissing data goodbye” seems to most certainly be kissing marriage goodbye as well.

Whether you are a man or woman, be sure you get into places where you can have normal interactions with members of the opposite sex. Interacting with members of the opposite sex is normal – how else do people meet one another to be married?

3. Learn to be confident in who you are and what you have to offer.

Self-confidence (and self-esteem!) before both God and others is an important factor. Be the person that God would be pleased in His love to match up with someone else. Seek to better your walk before God and better yourself as a person before others. Yet be confident for who you really are. Dalrock commenter Tracey provides an unfortunate sad example of a lack of confidence:

Sometimes I feel (yes, feel!) like guys want perfection, though. I’m no Scarlet Johannson or Kate Upton.

We are often our own harshest critics. But remember, that a genuinely good person who loves you is easy to please. Also, that when it comes to meeting people, we tend to teach others how to treat us. If we devalue ourselves, others will eventually believe us.

Work with God to be a better person (masculine or feminine) and learn to see the attractive parts that God made in you.

(please watch this video, it will be useful for the later discussion)

4. Don’t have wrong conceptions of how dating works.

One of Tracey’s misconceptions was that she just had to show up and the men would appear to ask her out on dates. I explained in the comment I linked to and Dalrock elaborated on that women have their own feminine form of pursuit which is almost always required for her to get any action. Generally put, people think of pursuit in terms of who asks on the date, and this loses the fact that both pursue in their own masculine and feminine ways. Looking at the video along with other resources will prove that a woman’s indicators of interest are literally the INITIATOR of interactions. Let me say that again, the woman is the one who pursues first! (See the video starting at 4:22-5:07)

Women, realize that you do have to put effort into things if you want a man. You might have to put a little more work into it than just a look and a smile, since a lot of men are pretty dull at these kinds of things. Regardless, realize that you might have to purposefully try to do some things if you don’t already.

5. Be socially open and available.

Notice where the eyes are of these women when it comes to the men.   No contact for those two!
Notice where the eyes are of these women when it comes to the men. No contact for those two!

A woman who is not socially open and is closed off (either through an activity or her friends) or even worse is putting out an angry, aggressive vibe (it’s common enough there’s a term for it) will not be bothered except by the most crass of men, who will inevitably be PUAs. (See the video at 5:45-6:22) If you want a gentleman, women, you need to make yourself a gentlewoman towards him to be approached. As the video notes, the women who get approaches are the ones who smile and make eye contact with the men. By contrast, notice where the eyes are of the women in the image to the left. No eye contact, and most certainly no smiles.

This is further reinforced by Janine Driver’s Body Language tips:

6. Center Yourself
7. Face the Action
8. Make Physical Contact

While they didn’t do an online video of it (I would have loved to embed it here, it’s a great illustration), the show sent two women (twins) into a bar and had one just sit at the bar and nurse her drink and the other be at the tables facing the crowd. Only one got approaches. Which one should be obvious.

Be willing to be socially available when you go out. If you are feeling anti-social, it’s probably best that you don’t go out with the goal of being successful socially. This is perhaps the biggest barrier that exists with Christian women, which shuts down the dating market.

6. Be willing to express yourself, but be Godly.

By all means, be willing and open while you are getting to know one another (see the video). If you are interested, be sure to show that you are. But be Godly. Be polite, don’t be crass, especially if you find out something about the man that’s on a reasonable list of non-negotiables. There’s an awful tendency for a woman to not politely reject a man, but give him a nuclear rejection that is heard and seen by all in the room.

In conclusion, I wanted to point out something in a Saturday Night Live video to pull some of this together.

Witness Paige and how she interacts with Vince Vaughn (yes obviously an alpha). From my bit of research, it seems the audience didn’t know he was going to do it. Notice how she reacts and shows her interest?

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The Confusing Of Gender And Sex

In my studies, I’ve come across a distinct confusion regarding the nature of what masculine is and what feminine is, especially when it comes to the interpretation of spiritual matters. This misunderstanding has been caused by many factors, and has caused many wrong traditional practices and problems. These have conspired to eliminate the historical and proper understanding of these attributes.

Firstly, these things are caused by the application of erotic language to spiritual things, as well as bridal mysticism. The application of erotic language is a mistake, for spirit can not be thought of in terms of flesh. Therefore, eros love is Biblically inappropriate to anything to do with God, including its use in songs. It’s impossible to prove a lack of presence of anything, but one can take the exercise to look at the New Testament definitions of “love”. The one almost exclusively used is agape in describing the love for the Father or the Son. Not eros, which is where we get the word “erotic”, which relates to carnal, physical, sexual intents. Given the nature of such things, it doesn’t make sense on the face of it to consider such language towards the things of God.

The justification people have for erotic language is the practice of bridal mysticism, or the confusion of Biblical roles and identities. The misapplication of Scriptural references of “the Bride of Christ” in referencing the individual instead of the group as a whole to justify bridal mysticism has happened for a very long time (since about 1200AD or so), but only has gotten more common for the last 20-30 years due to the rise of the “Jesus is my boyfriend” gospel and the desire to express it. This is further exacerbated by an endemic misunderstanding of the symbolic meaning of marriage.

Secondly, the historical understanding of gender has been eliminated through the assigning of bodily sexual characteristics to the historical use of gender identifiers. This has been done because of poor education, but also because of the prejudicial actions of the feminists. The drive to make language gender-neutral comes from these things, and well seen in the Feminist Bible and other more modern translations. While people don’t realize it, gender designations impart a certain meaning.

If you study Roman languages (Spanish for example), you’ll note pretty quickly that different words that relate to both people and inanimate objects are classified as masculine or feminine and the language changes to denote these classifications. For example (please excuse the lack of accent marks):

(2013-04-29) spanish_chart

The word “the” (and sometimes the word) changes in each of these things due to the application of gender. The particular applications to inanimate objects are of interest in this discussion because they bring out a meaning that’s different to us. Podles writes on this question (p84):

Integration and communion are at the heart of femininity, as separation and differentiation are at the heart of masculinity.

So, to bring this around to the application of the spiritual things, Christ is masculine as He is a separator and differentiates. While He appeared on earth as a man and not as a woman, it is a mistake to think of Him now in terms of mere flesh but of Spirit. He says this Himself:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. (Matthew 10:34-38)

If we apply this to the believer, this also makes the individual believer (both man and woman) masculine since they are both conformed into the image of Christ and follow a journey of separation from the world and flesh. This understanding is reinforced by the King James referring to all individual believers as the sons of God. Calling a female fully in-Christ believer “son of God” is appropriate, since there was no begotten daughter of God. As Podles writes:

In the New Testament, Christians are referred to as the sons and daughters of God only in quotation from the Old Testament. Otherwise, they are referred to as the children of God, sometimes with an implication of immaturity, or proleptically as the sons of God, with emphasis upon what they are destined to become . . . The begetting of the Son by the Father and the begetting of the Christian by God is a revelation of something humanity could never have imagined. The Son is truly begotten of God; he is not simply “like” God, the closest thing to God of any creature; rather he is the same substance (ousia) as God. He is the only-begotten; there is no other like him.

Yet Christians are also begotten in a sense that surpasses all metaphor and is almost impossible for reason to fathom. The Son, by pouring forth the Holy Spirit, creates other sons. He conforms both men and women to his own image as Son, by that making them all God’s sons (not daughters). God has no only-begotten daughter; he therefore has no daughters begotten of the Spirit, only sons. There is only one pattern for both men and women to be conformed to, that of the Son. In the Son, Christians become deiform, apotheosized, and achieve an intimacy and union with the godhead that is beyond the categories of natural reason. Christians are the children of God, growing into the image of the Son, that they may also become sons of the Father.

The Church, however, is feminine. This is not because of any flesh-related things – again it is a mistake to think of the Church in terms of anything but Spirit. This is because the Church is concerned with integration, relationship, and communion. These attributes occur because the Church is the body of Christ on the earth of whom He is the head.

As with the issue of the separation and differentiation of the believer away from the world and towards Christ, the integration, communion, and relationship of believers with one another as a part of the Church can be shown with numerous Scriptures (many more beyond the ones cited). These themes occur again and again throughout all of Scripture.

Traditionalists and feminists have sought to throw away the true equality that women are given in Scripture before Christ in favor of creating heresy for trying to identify themselves in an unscriptural wicked way. This involves placing the rightful burdens of women onto men instead of making women carry their own burdens. And lately, it even involves rejecting the nature of Christ, as feminists and lately Churchianity-at-large has done. This means a woman identifying herself as a “princess of God” or “daughter of the King” is being heretical, as she is not recognizing the separatory nature of Christ with the world.

Interestingly enough for the neo-feminists bellowing about equality, especially within the Church, they spit on something that places men and women as true equals on the journey with Christ. Both are given the same rules and requirements before Him, and God does not respect persons in His judgment. In doing this, they make their true nature clearly known.

(based on old comment on CMDN. This also constitutes a finished post from here, as well as the Scriptural analysis referred to here.)

The Society of Phineas – One Year

It has officially been one calendar year since the first post has been written here. This is post #125. Two of those posts are from the previous iteration which had 47 posts total.

I would like to thank all who have read the things on this blog, and those who have linked my posts in their work, and those who have put this blog in their blogrolls. I would also like to thank those that have helped me along in the path of life that God has me on. Most of all, I’d like to thank God for the grace He has given despite the things I’ve done to offend Him. After all, I’ve been shown many times how insufficient I am of myself – it’s not my profane self but Christ through me. For:

And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth. But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day. (Deuteronomy 8:17-18)

There wasn’t any point to link to top posts of the year or the like (since they’re still the same as calendar year), so in seeing this and this, I thought I’d go into the search terms for the blog. There’s not that many illogical ones for the whole year, because (I guess) my writing style is not that strange. But there’s a few:

christian femdom – this is more a learning thing than a weird one. I referred to the common state of feminist marriage (Marriage 2.0) using the phrase femdom. But I was mystified that I kept finding search hits on that phrase (169 of them to date). I had to search it and find out why…let’s just say…it’s a real thing. Don’t search it if you don’t want to know. What has been seen can not be unseen.
single christian men on facebook (4) – I guess some single Christian women trolling for dates?
images for sunshinemary (4) – anything you’re not telling us?
single mother of three seeks christian man (4) – uhmm…no thanks.
when men submit to women when they kick them (3) – evidently the reason that there are so many submissive beta/omega men is that women are kicking them?
best sex posistion for men for sataisfied the women (2) – sex tips at a single Christian’s blog?
two hand snake (2) – didn’t know snakes had hands.
bald heart submissive wife (2) – I didn’t know hearts could be bald? Do submissive wives have these?
hamster nude people on physical fitness equipment (2) – oooooookay?
what do forty year old sluts looking for (1) – a white-knight to ride in and rescue her Don’t you know you’re supposed to man up and marry the sluts?

The what I’m reading pile is pretty light since most of it has been reflected in posts already, but here’s some, fitting with the purpose of the blog:

Dalrock commenter Asher writes:

I think why so many Christians, of which you appear one, enjoy telling people they”re going to hell is that it is easy to do, whereas enacting political change is an enormous task. It’s easy to march against abortion because no real change is going to happen and it doesn’t really affect most churches – really how many of the women attending conservative churches have had abortions. On the other hand, how many female attendees of conservative churches have frivolously filed for divorce? Sin is sin, so why is the church trying to change the outside world when it doesn’t even police itself? Why isn’t the church fighting tooth and nail to protect fathers in the female-dominated family courts?

I would like to think I’ve grown in my writing as well as my focus over the year. As well, I know I’ve learned much in doing it, like the usual answer to most of the garbage I run across is “Nope”. The About page still stands as a testimony to how unfocused my mind was about this blog when I started it. I really need to rewrite it sometime. But this has always been the focus. To point out what needs to be heard and not what the proctors want to say. I pray that’s been done and will continue to be done as long as this blog is in operation.

The other thing I’ve realized ever more so is the value of freedom, be it in Christ and otherwise. The default state of man is slavery (the opposite of freedom), so it takes much effort to gain and maintain (freedom is work), admist the fear, self-doubt, and hostility of others (NSFW for language):

These are the Men that the feminine imperative is threatened by – a vanguard of men who are aware of their real value to women and society, and can make life impacting choices free from the influence of the imperative.

There are always people that love their yoke of slavery and will want you in the yoke of bondage. Men have devised many schemes to cause the enslavement of others, like feminISM. (H/T Donalgraeme)

Until next time, make every day Freedom Day!

Woman, Thy Name Is Vanity

I wrote a comment here on a post about the primping that women do. Women put up a lot of effort and worry in terms of their appearance. Taking care of yourself is important. There is no question that a person should be presentable, but the amount of effort, along with the reasons for that effort should be of concern.

1. Cultivate Your Character Not Your Appearance.

This point was addressed in 1 Peter 3:3-4 and 1 Timothy 2:9-10 here, which reflects a proper application:

It could be stated that in the drive to create a good appearance in women, that many of them have abandoned character entirely. And with no guidance from her parents or society, we get the feral women that are all too common today, both in Churchianity and without. It is not a coincidence that these feral women make poor marriage prospects for men, and many men are responding to the lack of worthy choices in women by simply choosing not to marry at all.

One’s appearance is a reflection of their character. Whether the person is slovenly or has their body torn up by their own hands or even chooses to not age gracefully, this is a reflection of the self-esteem and values of the person involved. The general association of primping and fancy dress with prostitution before the Lord and others (another reflection of character) should not be missed.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s. (1 Corinthians 6:19-20)

2. Who are you really trying to impress?

It’s one thing to look your best and work on yourself for you (and to glorify God). But it’s quite another to do things to show off to others. All together, most everything in this world is vanity:

Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah. Surely every man walketh in a vain shew: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them. (Psalm 39:5-6)

As this article relates, women are thoroughly angst-ridden about their appearance:

The other most fascinating thing about these women is that always apply needless worry over issues that they deem to be sacrilegious. While the guys would mostly not even take any notice or on most occasions, even thinks that it looks sexy or appealing. All they continually do is create their own living hell by assuming that there are problems when there are very few at all. It is just astounding how those females apply their own thinking, their minutiae management techniques onto our sex and just assume it to be one hundred percent correct, just because they want it to be so.

The reasons why women are so concerned about their appearance are telling. They come out in the surveys done regarding women and their appearance:

But for women, it’s the support of other females that provides the biggest lift with 81 per cent admitting a compliment from someone of the same gender meant the most to them

Observations like this are repeated again and again. A woman doesn’t usually primp and work on herself for her, but for the favor (and competition) of Team Woman. But again and again, it’s observed that it doesn’t take much in the looks department for men to find women attractive:

If they were really serious, they would find a way to fix it, instead of just wishful thinking. Men are a lot more tolerant about how women look than they are about themselves. Maybe one day, they will eventually come to realise just that bleeding obvious fact.

The reasons why anyone does what they do should be examined with the proper priorities in mind.

But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart. (1 Samuel 16:7)

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. (1 Corinthians 10:31)

Who are you really trying to please by doing this? Your first concern should be God who does not look at outward appearance, but at the heart. Your next concern should be the man who is or will be your husband. The Lord doesn’t care about your outward appearance at all and your husband really doesn’t care as much as you do, so by the love of God please stop worrying so much about such things. It ruins your self-esteem and looks to do it, and it ruins your health as well.

3. The sum total of your worth as a woman is not your external appearance.

The sheer effort and pride women take in their external appearance is evident all over:

They create a rod for their own backs. I can remember having a next door neighbour, she had two kids, divorced of course but got the house. She would not step outside the house without the full treatment of war paint, the full works, even when gardening. The weird thing about it all was that she was a bit of a stunner, tall, long hair etc. So there is a major difference between reality and what females assume to be an issue or a problem, as we are all already are well aware.

It seems in many women I’ve run across, they lay their complete value in their external appearance. As the woman in the quote, this make-up and some form of primping regiment is common for every thing. It’s as if all the make-up, hair primping, and other things is this identity. It’s the mask of their entire identity. This goes into looks as well, as many actresses (and women at large) are famous for working themselves to death, in addition to throwing lots of money at plastic surgeons at an attempt to stave off the inevitable aging of their bodies. The only answer that one can come up with is that the appearance of these women (and yes men are starting to do it too in increasing numbers) is their entire identity and they are struggling to keep an appearance that matches their internal self-image.

Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? (Romans 9:19-21)

Trying to remake yourself into your own image is an abomination against God. For whatever reason it may be, a fundamental part of life is to accept yourself as God put you on this earth to be. Wrapping up your self-worth in your identity is vanity. In the end, your appearance will be gone, you will be in the ground, and it will all become irrelevant no matter how much you strive. Vanity of vanities, all things are vanity!

Please God, then please your spouse when it comes to the things you do. Both will accept you for who you are. The rest of the women in the world or other men are irrelevant.

Seduction To Wickedness (Part 2)

(This is a continuation on the previous post, which describes the Biblical parameters of being unequally yoked and the effects it has upon a follower of the Lord.)

This is what men have to face in the church today from most all of the so-called “Christian” women. The pressure to give into the seduction of Jezebel and Balaam is all over for Christian men who seek to follow the Lord faithfully. Examples can be continually found, as well as dismissals and shaming of the righteous men of God when they balk at manning-up and marrying the sluts. Julian O’Dea writes in response to Donal Graeme:

I have read credible reports in the Manosphere of men who found their wives had been sexually penetrated by 11, 15, 21 … previous men.

Not a very happy thought to while away the dark early hours of some morning, is it?

The greatest, the very greatest, achievement of Western feminism has been to convince the average man that he is not entitled to a virgin bride. [even in “Christian” circles!]

This has to stop.

Commenter Edge writes on Dalrock:

There is a “Christian” girl I know and slept with sometime back. Hell, my friend and I slept with her and her slew of friends over the course of several months.

Long story short, she ended up marrying some Christian guy who was very religious. While she went to Church, he actually practiced. She just spoke the words as required yet obviously didn’t adhere to them since she was [having sex with] me and other men.

And most immediate to the issue is the examples that Dalrock brought out in his post But We Were In Love!. While I could give a whole post full of analysis of the post author and commenters there, the main issue is their enthusiastic support of fornication despite the expressed and clear will of the Lord (30 separate references in the NT alone). They reveal themselves to be enthusiastic followers of the personal Jesus who is their perfect boyfriend and lover who accepts everything they do just as they are. A good summary of the objective issues in that example is given by commenter Michael Singer on Dalrock:

What is quite interesting from the comments on the other blog:
– Justification of fornication
– Hypocritical higher expectations for men than for themselves
– The blatant disregard for the scriptures

But for purposes of this post, it would be better to focus on what these “Christian” women and their supporters (who are arguably supporting an implicit doctrine of prima noctis with whatever men these women find before they are wifed up as sluts) represent than to confirm themes repeated on this blog. The sins of these reprobate “Christian” women, along with their supporters, is what is causing this situation in the first place! They are not only openly reveling in the fact they are fornicating, they are evangelizing this action. This should not be disputable from reading that blog post and comment. Scripture speaks to the reprobate several times, even in conjunction with fornication.

1. The reprobate professes to know God but deny him in faith by their works, not having a knowledge of the truth. (Titus 1:15-16; 2 Timothy 3:1-9)

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (Titus 1:15-16)

2. The reprobate chooses to walk in the flesh and not in the Spirit. (Galatians 5:16-25; Jude 1:17-21)

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. (Galatians 5:16-25)

One who inherits the kingdom of heaven and walks in the Spirit and walks in the light as He is in the light does not fornicate! The one who is in Christ puts away, in fact crucifies the sinful flesh! In other words, the works of the sinful flesh on that list are to become no more and even more so are not to be taught as fine, not shameful! And they do not teach that fornication is alright with the Lord!

Choosing not to abstain from sexual intercourse before marriage is fine not shameful.

3. Reprobates turn the grace of God into a license to sin. (Romans 6:1-7; Jude 1:4)

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. (Romans 6:1-7)

They want to rely on grace and the sacrificial love of Christ. But His grace is of none effect! The flesh on these people are still very living, active, and alive!

4. Unrepentant reprobates, who know not God, are eventually given over by God to their reprobate minds. (Romans 1:21-32)

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (Romans 1:21-25)

This trend of the acceptance and evangelization of both premarital-sex (fornication is sex with someone who is not your wife) and homosexual unions within Churchianity is spoken of further:

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:26-32)

5. The unrepentant reprobate has no sacrifice left for sins. (Hebrews 10:26-31)

This thing of men and women passing themselves off as lovers of God when they are no such thing is becoming increasingly more and more common. This topic not only applies to how marriage is profaned in the sight of God but by all matters that God concerns Himself with. Signs of these things makes it all the more important to be prepared in faith. The Lord will burn away the chaff and preserve the remnant who follows after Him and loves Him and keeps his commandments.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10:26-31)

The Father sent the Son to the Cross not to allow us to continue in our wickedness, but to save us from it! Let the flesh die so the Spirit may live in you!

The Children of Jezebel (Part 1)

(This post turned out to be way too long as a whole, so I split it up. This is about the issue of faith when it comes to marriage. The next part is some analysis about the people who are pushing men into unequally yoked marriages.)

I wrote over here the following:

It’s this value that causes them to reject marrying the Children of Jezebel (coincidentally obeying the voice of the Lord too if they are genuinely Christian men), who are such because these men not only refuse to take the yoke of authority over their wives, but supplicate to them in the same way.

What does this mean in terms of selecting a wife? Ironically, this hasn’t been addressed at all in a post, so it would be important to address the matter of being unequally yoked in marriage. This is true, since the Scriptures speak very loudly in this regard.

As holiness is important towards the Lord, the most influential thing before the Lord is the belief in the woman a man chooses to marry. Does she faithfully follow the Lord or some other god and just give lip service to the Lord? The Scripture in 2 Corinthians 6 which speaks to being unequally yoked with unbelievers, speaks to marriage as well. The example of Jezebel is useful since she appears as a symbol to the typical feminism that happens in the world today:

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. (Revelation 2:20)

There are a number of examples in Scripture, but the focus of this post is the one that is evoked by this blog name: The seduction of the Israelites by the Moabites. This is remarkable example as Paul uses it with the Corinthians. (verses stressed quoted below):

Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. (1 Cor 10:v6)

Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. (v8)

Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. (v11-13)

To move to the Biblical story, Balak hired Balaam to curse the Israelites. The Lord intervened and turned the curse into a blessing. Balaam is another remarkable example of the seriousness of this matter, since the reminder of this event occurs again and again through Scripture. When Balaam’s attempts to curse Israel failed, he reasoned that while he couldn’t beat God, he could draw His people away from God and defeat them that way by enticing them to incur His wrath.

This was successful:

And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel. And the Lord said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun, that the fierce anger of the Lord may be turned away from Israel. (Numbers 25:1-4)

Laying with the foreign women drew them away from the Lord and into the customs of the gods of these women. This was not only done by their sexual acts, but by their mere presence in such a bonded setting. Being yoked to an unbeliever will drive your life away from the Lord! Even a pretender who lays claim to the name of the Lord and does not walk in the light will draw you away from the Lord!

This is what most Christian men face in the marriage decision. Make no mistake, many “Christian” women are really the children of Jezebel! But by their fruits you shall know the difference between a follower of Jesus and child of the Father and a child of Jezebel! You will also know by their fruits a child of Balaam who tries to push you into marriage with their sister Jezebel and away from the Lord with taunts and shaming language! The fruits of repentance and love for the Lord will be self-evident to those who walk in the light and the Spirit.

If you choose to marry, be watchful and self-controlled and don’t get to the point in your mind where you feel you have to marry. In other words, make a wise decision and affirm the Lord. You are of worth, and are worth more than uniting yourself to a harlot! No marriage is worth the cost of your eternal soul! Rather the love of the Father and the love of Christ than the love of the cruel tender mercies of a harlot!

Until the next part…

Links and Comments #7

Stuff I’ve been reading:


An issue that I’ve been hitting at off and on as video blogged by Girl Writes What and transcribed here: Feminism and the Disposable Male For all the crying that the women do about being sexually objectified, it’s interesting in how the solipsism comes out when they can’t see how men don’t like being objects whose sole purpose is to be thrown in the trash or smashed into pieces at the narcissistic whims of women. Yet somehow, that’s become what the very definition of a “good man” is. It’s tradition, though. Even men are blind to it. LGR writes:

One issue here is women don’t see a man’s life as having an intrinsic value on its own. The fact that you may be concerned about your own life, your own well-being, financial and otherwise is just unacceptable. You are their sacrificial lamb and your existence is to serve them. This is completely backwards from the bible, but that is where we are at. The women these days don’t like it that men have their own autonomy and that they are breaking free of the puppet strings they use to control.


Sunshinemary’s back. You can find her here. And her old stuff here. But to move on to other SSM-related stuff.

Sunshinemary finally sees the Feminine Imperative. If I knew seeing Walsh’s site would convince her, I would have sent her straight there instead of going through her AH girl/boy scout troop story. Walsh was my initial introduction into the corner of the man-oriented blogosphere where Dalrock et. al resides. I guess I didn’t read on her site much at the time (and commented none) because I saw the FI in play there. Searched later, and found Dalrock and things went from there. I’m glad she finally did see it though.

From this, we have a good divergence into a post by Donal Graeme about establishing a proper frame control as a Christian to determine whether a prospective wife is physically attracted to you. Of course, fornication is wrong for a practicing Christian, so it makes it a good question of how to know that the woman you’re with is 1. not a lesbian and 2. physically attracted to you.

SSM is a frequent blog poster, so it’s hard to go back and catch all of what she’s done since my last link post, but I’ll catch my highlights: Love and loyalty in times of trouble and weaknessHow Much Game should the Christian wife require? – Should frame control for men be in terms of dominant/submissive instead of the typical Game one of Alpha/Beta? A wife shouldn’t have to be “gamed” and should honor God’s word to begin with, but it is indeed a sin for a husband to be uxorious towards his wife.

The Cowardly Pastor – pretty typical of most today, anyway.

This week’s recommended reading – good links, especially that first one which is on my list. Nightskyradio’s Shatner video is about like most of GBFM’s posts. Kind of a crazy side, but has a real wisdom in it if you dig a little deeper. Shatner is the GBFM of the music world, real good in small quantities though. Witness his live (enough for 1978) performance of Rocket Man:

Inter-gender conflict in the workplace, part 2: Physical aggression between male and female employees. – SSM describes the p****-pass.

Related: One handed out here in a way. Hopefully “Connie” can see exactly why her behavior earned the reaction it did. If a man did what Connie did in meatspace (or online) he would find much worse in response than she did.

SSM’s old blog roll reproduced (12/17/2012) from one of my backups, minus dead sites, minus her current blog roll, minus my blog roll (good excuse to link some sites that I kind of forgot): 3rd Millenium Men80-Proof OinomancyAverage Married DadBarnhardtDeti NationM3NO MA’AMRatio ChristiShining Pearls of SomethingThe Lady I Can’t Explain – songtwoelevenThe Private ManView from the RightVision Forum Ministries – Doug Phillips


 Was this subtle slut shaming, or subtle advertising at the porn for women that lay inside?
Was this subtle slut shaming, or subtle advertising at the porn for women that lay inside?

Frank on gender expectations:

It’s ironic. Women have these lists of demands about what they want in a man beginning with him not being unemployed and living on mommy’s couch, and for the most part I totally understand and agree with it. But when a guy’s criteria starts with a woman having some good basic cooking skills, they go CRAY CRAY.

No Ma’am on the religious side of marriage (unrelated to the post as a whole, but good on showing where the church stands re marriage):

. . . The problem is that women won’t get on board until it is in their best interests to do so! This is something that really chaps my ass about Trad-cons and Christians (and I say this as someone coming from a highly religious background). They want to “save” marriage, and encourage men to keep marrying, without expecting that women must change to make it worth men’s while, nor addressing that marriage itself must be restored to its original meaning – and then they point to the Bible and blah blah blah. All I have to say to them is: “Until you get off your asses and create a form of marriage that actually represents what the Bible intended, STFU and keep your spinster daughters for yourselves! Don’t expect me to immolate myself upon the marriage pyre for a false notion of marriage in a society that actively criminalizes everything about men and Biblical marriage as God intended it!”

Women Paying For Their Own Engagement – a good supplement to this post which describes in more detail the attitudes women have towards the engagement ring and the wedding (you know 23% of women say that the more a man spends, the more he loves you):

It certainly puts a different angle to grovelling and one must ask the question, why do men lower themselves and deliberately embarrass themselves in public over something that females would normally be quite happy to accept over a coke and a bucket of KFC. But they continue with that nonsense anyway.

Men 2020 – The Real StoryA great treatise (guest post) on the poor expectations of women when it comes to marriage

Until next time, and remember (as much truth as the “Tell Him” sketch last year):

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